Evolve, already

by Odysseus - March 15th, 2007
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Most people who don’t think that Richard Dawkins is God will agree that science and religion are compatible. The standard compatibility argument is that science describes the physical world and religion describes the spiritual world, so as long as they each stick to their own playground no one will get hurt. While intuitively appealing, I think this is a fundamentally wrong-headed way of looking at the relationship between science and religion. Underlying this argument is the assumption that science and religion are coherent and static bodies of knowledge.

I don’t think this assumption is true. Science and religion are both methods of understanding the world. Scientific knowledge is always in flux, but its methods are always the same: identify independent variables, control for extraneous influences, and explain empirical causality. This method of discovery is necessarily limited to physical reality because science just can’t deal with anything that is not observable.

All religions, too, are characterized by the same method of discovery: interpretation. Religion provides us with the points of reference and framework for interpreting spiritual reality through hermeneutics – a system for discovering meanings by looking at the same thing through several points of view. The interpretive methods of religion help us to make sense of reality that transcends the simply physical. Religion also provides standards, boundaries, and premises of interpretation: humans are fundamentally spiritual, we worship God, life is valuable, etc.

If we look at science and religion in this way, we can transcend a lot of silly and jealous debates. For instance, the debate about intelligent design is premised on two sides arguing about whether science or religion should have the last word on unexplained (or unexplainable) phenomena. But why treat science or religion as exclusive or final revelations of insight about the world? Scientists used to think that heavier objects fell faster than lighter ones. Christians used to think that the Africans were morally inferior to Europeans. Previously considered authoritative knowledge, these beliefs have been overturned by further inquiry. But revising these positions has not invalidated scientific and religious methods of inquiry, it has just shown that human understanding evolves.

If we rely on science and religion for the genius of their methods rather than the fallible and limited products of these methods, we’ll all understand the world much better. Moreover, it will give us the humility to realize that we are ever striving to understand the world in ways that are necessarily incomplete.

Scientific knowledge evolves. Religious knowledge evolves. What more is there to say? Quit squabbling and get on with it.

“Should a man try to fly with the wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone he would also make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of materialism.” (‘Abdu’l-Baha)

7 Responses to “Evolve, already”

  1. Lincoln says:

    I like the fact that you try to refute the idea–supported by Stephen Jay Gould–that religion and science should just stay out of each other’s business.

    One thing I think isn’t clear in your argument here is that ’spiritual reality’, which religion gives us a method for investigating, includes some elements of material reality, while the reverse is not true. I don’t mean to imply that science is therefore inferior to religion, but to point out that its scope is limited to the material world, while that of religion is not limited to the non-material world (whatever that might mean).

    It strikes me as a crucial distinction that isn’t evident throughout the post.

    That said, I don’t think I could put the idea much better than this: “If we rely on science and religion for the genius of their methods rather than the fallible and limited products of these methods, we’ll all understand the world much better.”

    Well done, Odysseus.

  2. Sanisha says:

    i thoroughly enjoyed this, especially the links.I would like to ask though, what you mean by religious knowledge evolving ? if we are at a point where we agree that Manifestation of God is infallible and His words are recorded perfectly, then maybe only the understanding of the Word of God, our interpretation, and translationis what will evolve. In other words, I guess I am asking is whether there can be an apex of religious evolution?

  3. Odysseus says:

    Thanks to Lincoln and Sanisha for such thoughtful feedback. This post came out of thoughts I’ve been playing with for the past week, so I really just wanted to set them down and get some critical comments from the ‘crats.

    Lincoln: I didn’t really mean to make an argument about the world being divided into material and spiritual reality, with science and religion responsible for investigating one or the other (although looking back on the post, I see that I gave this impression). Rather, I was trying to shift this debate into one about Reality (capital R). Perhaps another way of putting the distinction between science and religion as methods is saying that religion aims at understanding, whereas science aims at explanation. Understanding, of course, embraces material reality: understanding the force of love requires experiencing relationships of love in the human world and seeing relationships of love in the natural world (the force of gravity, perhaps). Relying upon religious texts to explain the chemistry of blood circulation, however, would be disastrous. I hope this is a fair response to your comment, but let’s have more!

    Sanisha: The reality of religion is not in the printed words on the page. Religion exists as inherently limited interpretations of the intentions of God, communicated through holy scriptures. The reality of religion is, in a sense, how we use it to interpret the world around us… and our understanding of how to apply religious texts is always evolving. If one believes that the holy scriptures possess the same essential truths, then these truths become relevant in different ways across the ages. Also, one might believe that holy scriptures themselves need to be renewed in order to accommodate the changing needs of humanity.

    Does this reach an apex? I sure hope not – that would make our understanding equivalent with God. A Muslim would call that being partners with God and I suspect that Jewish law would prescribe a frightful punishment for such arrogance. Not that I think we should line up and throw stones at Richard Dawkins… although perhaps that would be a form of natural selection.

  4. Sanisha says:

    Odysseus, thanks for this explanation.Let me explain furtehr my question.I am a Bahai, I believe in progressive revelation and I think that what I was asking then is:if we are given Holy Scriptures, in its pure form, and within it, the instruction that it will change, and must be renewed, then is that Revelation, the Bahai revelation, not at the apex of understanding Reality by religion.
    ?

    The way in which we understand Reality will change, the word religion may not even exist in 1000 years, but the real framework is now here, and in this way the Bahai Revelation is fundamentally different to other religions? I think that because we have the recorded Word of God, by Baha’u'llah we are at perhaps at the apex of what a religion should look like, not that the Bahai Faith is the ultimate, last religion.I also wasn’t meaning that our understanding and interpretation will ever reach an apex.

  5. Sanisha says:

    sorry Odysseus, this is what i was referring to

    it doesn’t contradict what you say about religion.I should have been clearer, in my mind, about what is meant by a Cycle, a Dispensation etc.

  6. Odysseus says:

    I still think we’re referring to different sorts of evolution.

    Religious understanding evolves within the same religious revelation. The early Christian gnostics understood Biblical texts very differently than contemporary Catholics. Same for Baha’is. Early Baha’is in the West primarily came from Protestant backgrounds and their understandings of the Baha’i writings were relatively limited. Even Shoghi Effendi wrote that current understandings of the Baha’i writings were only a ‘glimmering’ compared with that of future generations. It’s the same in every religion — no matter how ‘pure’ the transmission, we have to accept evolution in religious understanding. This is a problem that deeply affects some branches of Islam. Because the Qu’ran was recorded very accurately by Muhammad, some Muslims are satisfied that because transmission was perfect then this is the final unadulterated communication from God… and therefore women should cover themselves from head to foot and be stoned to death for looking sexy. Wrong. Religion is important because it helps us to understand the age in which we live. Religion should be a civilizing force, not a conservative one. Khomeini’s dogma is Dawkins’ dogma.

  7. Mandel Cola says:

    I’m glad someone else sees the irony in Dawkins worship.

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