Comments on: A fat girl http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/ Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:55:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: Original Sin http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-592 Original Sin Fri, 19 May 2006 09:42:30 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-592 No Fat Chicks No
Fat
Chicks

]]> By: Sanisha http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-594 Sanisha Fri, 19 May 2006 12:09:28 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-594 the fat girl in me loves guys like Mog' for this kind of applause, the fat chick in me hates guys like Sin for not but applauds both of your rawness and honesty.pitiful as it is. but the intelligent women that is me thinks this is a example of how rotten the world is.Not only is there racism , and sexiscm plus all the isms to becareful of, there is this crap , do we think ourselves proud to be rolling around in it ? the intelligent person in me also thinks that the world is a fat girl ...it is decadent yes, but also sensitive and in need of comfort.It has many layers and a belly , full , of potential energy. the fat girl in me loves guys like Mog’ for this kind of applause, the fat chick in me hates guys like Sin for not but applauds both of your rawness and honesty.pitiful as it is.

but the intelligent women that is me thinks this is a example of how rotten the world is.Not only is there racism , and sexiscm plus all the isms to becareful of,
there is this crap , do we think ourselves proud to be rolling around in it ?

the intelligent person in me also thinks that the world is a fat girl …it is decadent yes, but also sensitive and in need of comfort.It has many layers and
a belly ,
full ,
of potential energy.

]]> By: Mogogo http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-595 Mogogo Fri, 19 May 2006 12:11:47 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-595 i dont know why i wrote this, or what it means, its just out there and i'm not proud of it, though i think sanisha's comment makes it worthwhile. i dont know why i wrote this, or what it means, its just out there and i’m not proud of it, though i think sanisha’s comment makes it worthwhile.

]]> By: Humble Owl http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-599 Humble Owl Fri, 19 May 2006 15:42:16 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-599 Fat chicks need love too. Fat chicks need love too.

]]> By: Oscar de Clavier http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-600 Oscar de Clavier Fri, 19 May 2006 15:49:29 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-600 Something Original Sin knows all too well, whatever he might say. Something Original Sin knows all too well, whatever he might say.

]]> By: Mogogo http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-601 Mogogo Fri, 19 May 2006 15:54:56 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-601 I'm sorry about my post. This line of banter was unintended but, i suppose, predictable. I’m sorry about my post. This line of banter was unintended but, i suppose, predictable.

]]> By: Hannibal http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-602 Hannibal Fri, 19 May 2006 15:57:21 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-602 Mogogo, let's imagine the fat girl riding on her bicycle through the hogeschool...if she had happened to cast her eye over you, what would she have thought? Everyone is a mirror Mogonegone... Mogogo,
let’s imagine the fat girl riding on her bicycle through the hogeschool…if she had happened to cast her eye over you, what would she have thought? Everyone is a mirror Mogonegone…

]]> By: Saleem http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-603 Saleem Fri, 19 May 2006 16:16:58 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-603 The important thing about this post was that it threw up some common assumptions (that fat is bad, thin is good) and did two things: firstly it used these assumptions to demonstrate that out of 'bad' can come 'good'; i.e. even though the fat girl is fat, she nevertheless had more strength of character (to Mogogo's eyes) than did the thinner, allegedly shallower people. But it did a second thing: by saying that good can come from bad, we are forced to reconsider bad: Mogogo was questioning the very assumptions behind fat and thin. And this is a worthwhile thing to do, because if a fat man or woman has a negative disposition, no self-confidence and indeed suffers mentally for his or her weight, none of this can be directly correlated to the weight. It must be directly correlated to the way people perceive their weight. Fat and thin are results of many largely insignificant physical lifestyle patterns; I am very thin, but I eat like a very fat person. So what does that make me? A dynamic fatty? These benchmarks we have created are all rubbish, and this is the point of Mogogo's post; look beyond the visual. Meanwhile, Original Sin's post, Humble Owl's and Oscar's are all very clearly correlative to the fact that the Neocrats is still, on occasion, a VI form boys' common room. The important thing about this post was that it threw up some common assumptions (that fat is bad, thin is good) and did two things: firstly it used these assumptions to demonstrate that out of ‘bad’ can come ‘good’; i.e. even though the fat girl is fat, she nevertheless had more strength of character (to Mogogo’s eyes) than did the thinner, allegedly shallower people. But it did a second thing: by saying that good can come from bad, we are forced to reconsider bad: Mogogo was questioning the very assumptions behind fat and thin. And this is a worthwhile thing to do, because if a fat man or woman has a negative disposition, no self-confidence and indeed suffers mentally for his or her weight, none of this can be directly correlated to the weight. It must be directly correlated to the way people perceive their weight. Fat and thin are results of many largely insignificant physical lifestyle patterns; I am very thin, but I eat like a very fat person. So what does that make me? A dynamic fatty? These benchmarks we have created are all rubbish, and this is the point of Mogogo’s post; look beyond the visual.

Meanwhile, Original Sin’s post, Humble Owl’s and Oscar’s are all very clearly correlative to the fact that the Neocrats is still, on occasion, a VI form boys’ common room.

]]> By: Original Sin http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-604 Original Sin Fri, 19 May 2006 16:22:31 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-604 I don't understand what's wrong with that, I'm not suggesting we go around spanking eachother with towels or pouring the pee bucket on eachother (or was that just my school?), but a little male-banter for the weekend is all good in my book. I don’t understand what’s wrong with that, I’m not suggesting we go around spanking eachother with towels or pouring the pee bucket on eachother (or was that just my school?), but a little male-banter for the weekend is all good in my book.

]]> By: Mogogo http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-605 Mogogo Fri, 19 May 2006 16:25:11 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-605 Hannibal, you're right. I hope. I hope she would have seen a content, serene individual. I would be deluding myself to think that she would have seen a lithe pretty young thing but such is my trust in her discretion that she would no doubt have overlooked the slightly portly proportions. Hannibal, you’re right. I hope. I hope she would have seen a content, serene individual. I would be deluding myself to think that she would have seen a lithe pretty young thing but such is my trust in her discretion that she would no doubt have overlooked the slightly portly proportions.

]]> By: Saleem http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-606 Saleem Fri, 19 May 2006 16:26:58 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-606 And the chromodome. And the chromodome.

]]> By: Sanisha http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-607 Sanisha Fri, 19 May 2006 18:02:26 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-607 you know, I am not one of those lets burn our bras type feminists (whatever that is) .Ask my girl friends and they will tell you that I dont even consider myself a champion of womens lib, it just has not been an' issue' for me, the fat/thin issue however was a bigger 'soft spot' thus far, but by being perhaps the only female commentor in this post entitled 'a fat girl' i would like to give you more of my perspective. The only comments that were sensical so far is Saleems,because it explains clearly and elaborates on this fat/thin issue(which should be the crux) and doesn't slide because what i now pick up from otehrs is some nauseating male cloakroom banter, talk which just perpetuates your attitudes and yes, even the objectifying of women ,the BODY.this I see, guys,just fromthe WORDS i read,which are a part of your vocab and perhaps not even aware of using or its effect on psyche and the temperament around you! eg.chicks..lithe pretty young thing ?are we talking about kittens? because I know what you mean this conjures up images, for me , of a Lolita. The assumptions we make of the elegantly wasted gang too.heroin chic? we make it that. by my reading this , not commenting ,makes it more ok. I studied land surveying, in SA , so I am a bit used to a macho boer mentality , of males ,and females ,and i am not saying that you men are like this , but in those clubs there are no double standards or reason to elevate the thinking and behaviour to a different standard. do you have a break to be a bog oaf on the weekend when no one can see you? you know, I am not one of those lets burn our bras type feminists (whatever that is) .Ask my girl friends and they will tell you that I dont even consider myself a champion of womens lib, it just has not been an’ issue’ for me, the fat/thin issue however was a bigger ’soft spot’ thus far,

but by being perhaps the only female commentor in this post entitled ‘a fat girl’ i would like to give you more of my perspective. The only comments that were sensical so far is Saleems,because it explains clearly and elaborates on this fat/thin issue(which should be the crux) and doesn’t slide

because what i now pick up from otehrs is some nauseating male cloakroom banter, talk which just perpetuates your attitudes and yes, even the objectifying of women ,the BODY.this I see, guys,just fromthe WORDS i read,which are a part of your vocab and perhaps not even aware of using or its effect on psyche and the temperament around you!

eg.chicks..lithe pretty young thing ?are we talking about kittens? because I know what you mean this conjures up images, for me , of a Lolita. The assumptions we make of the elegantly wasted gang too.heroin chic? we make it that.

by my reading this , not commenting ,makes it more ok.

I studied land surveying, in SA , so I am a bit used to a macho boer mentality , of males ,and females ,and i am not saying that you men are like this , but in those clubs there are no double standards or reason to elevate the thinking and behaviour to a different standard. do you have a break to be a bog oaf on the weekend when no one can see you?

]]> By: Saleem http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-608 Saleem Fri, 19 May 2006 18:15:30 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-608 Harsh! We aren't Boers or boars or bores. We're boys. Anyway, I know lots of chicks who themselves say "chicks", so I don't think that's the right target for your otherwise mostly fair comment. But, give us the girl who is not bedazzled by something equally vacuous - not necessarily physique, but often - and we'll give you a unicorn. Harsh! We aren’t Boers or boars or bores. We’re boys. Anyway, I know lots of chicks who themselves say “chicks”, so I don’t think that’s the right target for your otherwise mostly fair comment. But, give us the girl who is not bedazzled by something equally vacuous - not necessarily physique, but often - and we’ll give you a unicorn.

]]> By: Sarmad http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-609 Sarmad Fri, 19 May 2006 21:07:04 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-609 Sexism is a bad thing, yes, but eating endangered animals is far worse. Sexism is a bad thing, yes, but eating endangered animals is far worse.

]]> By: Humble Owl http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-610 Humble Owl Sat, 20 May 2006 01:21:31 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-610 Over eating endangered animals thus causing obesity is the worst. Especially if you're a girl. Over eating endangered animals thus causing obesity is the worst.

Especially if you’re a girl.

]]> By: Sanisha http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-611 Sanisha Sat, 20 May 2006 07:27:38 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-611 *blinking* what just happened? I don't think I was meaning to attack you, boys. Thank you Mog' for laying this table , and really its has been very filling but I dont think I will be dinining on this until more company of the girl kind, all shapes and types, join in and have a say here.Where are they ? Until them..adieu....I think, that Sal with his matabolism for new ideas and grasp of how things are, will be the only one left standing .ok. oh yes,and a live unicorn can plz be sent to S.Africa, c/o my sister, who is another one of many women like that. *blinking*

what just happened? I don’t think I was meaning to attack you, boys.

Thank you Mog’ for laying this table , and really its has been very filling but I dont think I will be dinining on this until more company of the girl kind, all shapes and types, join in and have a say here.Where are they ? Until them..adieu….I think, that Sal with his matabolism for new ideas and grasp of how things are, will be the only one left standing .ok.

oh yes,and a live unicorn can plz be sent to S.Africa, c/o my sister, who is another one of many women like that.

]]> By: Saleem http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-612 Saleem Sat, 20 May 2006 08:37:22 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-612 What? No. One thread is insufficient to recuse yourself from the Neocrats. Your resignation is not accepted. What? No. One thread is insufficient to recuse yourself from the Neocrats. Your resignation is not accepted.

]]> By: Sarmad http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-613 Sarmad Sat, 20 May 2006 12:07:36 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-613 The nature of food offered to one's relatives depends on many factors. The nature of food offered to one’s relatives depends on many factors.

]]> By: Marshn http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-615 Marshn Sun, 21 May 2006 07:46:12 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-615 Interesting how a post like that puts men and women into corners even if they don't know how they got there. I liked the post it was honest. I think it's good we rethink the asumptions we make about certain things like weight, hight, gender, age etc. Those asumptions can prevent us from getting to know some amazing people. We shouldn't even asume we know what the people posting and commenting here are like (fat, thin, femenist, sexist, stupid, smart), we're just getting glimpses of eachother (well I am anyway, I've only seen Sal and I don't even know him that well) Interesting how a post like that puts men and women into corners even if they don’t know how they got there.
I liked the post it was honest.
I think it’s good we rethink the asumptions we make about certain things like weight, hight, gender, age etc. Those asumptions can prevent us from getting to know some amazing people. We shouldn’t even asume we know what the people posting and commenting here are like (fat, thin, femenist, sexist, stupid, smart), we’re just getting glimpses of eachother (well I am anyway, I’ve only seen Sal and I don’t even know him that well)

]]> By: Original Sin http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-617 Original Sin Mon, 22 May 2006 09:40:53 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-617 "No fat chicks" is a cliche: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/search/search.aspx?q=no+fat+chicks Also, I find the unicorn the most phallic of all the mythical animals. Even more then that half-man half bull creature. The name escapes me. “No fat chicks” is a cliche:

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/search/search.aspx?q=no+fat+chicks

Also, I find the unicorn the most phallic of all the mythical animals. Even more then that half-man half bull creature. The name escapes me.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-619 anonymous Mon, 22 May 2006 09:49:27 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-619 its a Centaur its a Centaur

]]> By: Original Sin http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-620 Original Sin Mon, 22 May 2006 12:36:11 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-620 Actually, I was thinking of a Minotaur. Centaur is half man half horse. Actually, I was thinking of a Minotaur. Centaur is half man half horse.

]]> By: mogogo http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19499 mogogo Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:34:13 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19499 How did this post end up: a. as one of the all time faves; and b. as a discussion on the minotaur/centaur distinction? when they come to make neocrats the movie, this post will surely be on the dvd outtakes reel How did this post end up:
a. as one of the all time faves; and
b. as a discussion on the minotaur/centaur distinction?

when they come to make neocrats the movie, this post will surely be on the dvd outtakes reel

]]> By: Sanisha http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19500 Sanisha Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:00:14 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19500 Speaking of fat girls and movie endings...newcomer Jennifer Hudson won an Oscar for best supporting actress in Dreamgirls at this years Academy Awards.In the movie, she is pushed aside because she is the 'fat girl' and not the 'glam girl'...it is a nice real-life ending to the story :) well done, fat girl! <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=2903730 ">story</a> Speaking of fat girls and movie endings…newcomer Jennifer Hudson won an Oscar for best supporting actress in Dreamgirls at this years Academy Awards.In the movie, she is pushed aside because she is the ‘fat girl’ and not the ‘glam girl’…it is a nice real-life ending to the story :)

well done, fat girl!

story

]]> By: Saleem http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19503 Saleem Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:27:33 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19503 One rating at 5/5 stars says more about a singular reader's perversity than it does about the general acclaim given to this post. The initial period of the ratings system will be categorised by such instances, because critical masses of ratings have yet to accrue across the archives. Nevertheless, it's a good piece for the out takes. One rating at 5/5 stars says more about a singular reader’s perversity than it does about the general acclaim given to this post. The initial period of the ratings system will be categorised by such instances, because critical masses of ratings have yet to accrue across the archives.

Nevertheless, it’s a good piece for the out takes.

]]> By: Sanisha http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19505 Sanisha Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:48:50 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19505 That's a strong word Saleem > perversity? Just for the record, i have not voted yet. I liked this post because i took it (too) personally but i'm learning to not do that. Let's try to not take anything personally, let's ignore the comments and just approach the ratings and posts like you would any story...did it make you laugh, cry, sing, do somthing differently, etc. That’s a strong word Saleem > perversity? Just for the record, i have not voted yet.
I liked this post because i took it (too) personally but i’m learning to not do that.

Let’s try to not take anything personally, let’s ignore the comments and just approach the ratings and posts like you would any story…did it make you laugh, cry, sing, do somthing differently, etc.

]]> By: Saleem http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19507 Saleem Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:11:27 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19507 Yes, I considered as I wrote it that 'perversity' was overly strong. Yes, I considered as I wrote it that ‘perversity’ was overly strong.

]]> By: Mogogo http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19508 Mogogo Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:13:53 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-19508 I like the word, and its use. As you have learnt a long time ago round this place San, a little ribbing is a sign of affection. I like the word, and its use. As you have learnt a long time ago round this place San, a little ribbing is a sign of affection.

]]> By: Original Sin http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-27768 Original Sin Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:21:03 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-27768 Re-reading this post and its comments makes me smile. This post in many ways epitomises what the Neocrats is about. Low- and high-brow, irreverent, relevant and funny as hell. Or something. Re-reading this post and its comments makes me smile. This post in many ways epitomises what the Neocrats is about. Low- and high-brow, irreverent, relevant and funny as hell.

Or something.

]]> By: Sanisha http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-27770 Sanisha Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:27:08 +0000 http://www.neocrats.com/2006/05/19/a-fat-girl/#comment-27770 I would like to own up and say ,it was me! The anonymous one who wrongly said it was a Centaur...who would have guessed... just your regular "rent-a-crowd". I would like to own up and say ,it was me! The anonymous one who wrongly said it was a Centaur…who would have guessed… just your regular “rent-a-crowd”.

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